Tuesday, May 8, 2007

Endgame! Feminism and the Republic.





“…Plato had little sympathy with democracy as he had seen it in Athens, nor would he have had much sympathy with any regime in which popular approval was an important factor in selecting those who are to direct the workings of society. If government is, as it must be, operated by a chosen minority, then the people’s choice is liable to be a bad choice because the people are so easily deceived. This may show an aristocratic bias; but Plato’s basic preference was not for an aristocracy in the common sense, but for trained expertise. It is true that he thinks this is likely to be provided by heredity guided by eugenics; but expertise and trained ability are the guiding criteria (The Republic, Lee, p.1iii).”

“But Plato, as Sir Karl rightly points out, is a Utopian and a planner; and that approach is more characteristic of the Virtuous Left, as perhaps Bertrand Russell and Professor Fite were suggesting when they pointed to Soviet Russia as the state most nearly run on Platonic principles (p. 1iii).”

Welcome!

For the last forty years, Western civilization and culture has been ravaged by the hate movement known as feminism.

Our degradation didn't happen overnight. It was a slow process, that took place over many years.

While feminists in academia plotted and planned, We the People slept.

While leftists gained control of schools and universities, We the People slept[1][2].

While social engineers abolished the traditional rights of Men in marriage and family life, We the People slept.

While Western women were asked to do the traditional jobs of both men and women, to the point where they as a group are struggling to stay afloat, We the People slept.

Many of today's modern women are either...

1) Highly medicated[3][4]

2) Overweight to the point where it is endangering their health[a][b]

3) Facing uncertain prospects for marriage and children[5][6][7],

Or perhaps for some, dealing with a combination of all of the above. What the feminists have asked the modern woman to do borders on the criminal, and women are literally driving themselves into the ground trying to meet the demands imposed on them from above.

While the Black American family, an institution that survived centuries of slavery and oppression was utterly obliterated[8][9], We the People slept.

While governments have passed, or deliberate passing, abusive acts such as Domestic Violence legislation[10][11], the Patriot Act[12][13], Hate Crime[14][15] laws that threaten constitutionally guaranteed free speech, among other corrosive legislation that, upon its eventual misuse, will threaten our natural and God given rights to life, liberty, and property, We the People slept.

It's time to wake up.

So where are we now?

Where are we going?

What is the endgame?

The endgame, in my view, is the establishment of a State very similar to the entity described by Plato.

Many MRAs who have done the research know about Plato and his influence upon our enemies.

Speaking of MRAs, I would like to give full credit to Steve Farrell for writing the excellent piece entitled, Technology, Sovereignty, and the Third Wave. This is the article that helped me put the pieces of the puzzle together. It is excellent writing, and a must read.

However, many people may not be aware of the connection between Plato and the various leftist movements that threaten to consume what little liberties they have left. And so, this series is dedicated to them.

So that they might understand the scope of the threat, and spread the word.

I will argue in this series that there are people and, I dare say it, a conspiracy of people, that seek to impose on the nations of the world, a "perfect" society as envisioned by a man that lived over two thousand years ago, and wrote his groundbreaking treatise at least three hundred years before the birth of Christ.

Plato, and his book the Republic (and to a lesser extent, his work Laws and other miscellaneous writings) have had an immense and far reaching impact on philosophy and politics that cannot be overstated.

An influence that continues today.

Marxism, Platonism, and the various schools of Feminism do have substantial differences. Feminism in particular, is quite diverse. On the site Plato.stanford.edu we learn that:

Focused as they are on questions about power, those developing fully feminist approaches to ethics offer action guides aimed at subverting rather than reinforcing the present systematic subordination of women. Liberal, Marxist, radical, socialist, multicultural, global, and ecological feminists have each offered a different set of explanations and solutions for this state of affairs. So too have existentialist, psychoanalytic, cultural, and postmodern feminists.

Proponents of these varied schools of feminist thought maintain that the destruction of all systems, structures, institutions, and practices that create or maintain invidious power differentials between men and women is the necessary prerequisite for the creation of gender equality.


Liberal feminists charge that the main cause of female subordination is a set of informal rules and formal laws that block women's entrance and/or success in the public world. Excluded from places such as the academy, the forum, the marketplace, and the operating room, women cannot reach their potential. Women cannot become men's full equals until society grants women the same educational opportunities and political rights it grants men.


Marxist feminists disagree with liberal feminists. They argue that it is impossible for any oppressed person, especially a female one, to prosper personally and professionally in a class society. The only effective way to end women's subordination to men is to replace the capitalist system with a socialist system in which both women and men are paid fair wages for their work. Women must be men's economic as well as educational and political equals before they can be as powerful as men.

Disagreeing with both Marxist and liberal feminists, radical feminists claim that the primary causes of women's subordination to men are women's sexual and reproductive roles and responsibilities. Radical feminists demand an end to all systems and structures that in any way restrict women's sexual preferences and procreative choices. Unless women become truly free to have or not have children, to love or not love men, women will remain men's subordinates.

Seeing wisdom in both radical and Marxist feminist ideas, socialist feminists attempt to weave these separate streams of thought into a coherent whole. For example, in Women's Estate, Juliet Mitchell argues that four structures overdetermine women's condition: production, reproduction, sexuality, and the socialization of children. A woman's status and function in all of these structures must change if she is to be a man's equal. Furthermore, as Mitchell adds in Psychoanalysis and Feminism, a woman's interior world, her psyche, must also be transformed; for unless a woman is convinced of her own value, no change in her exterior world can totally liberate her.

Multicultural feminists generally affirm socialist feminist thought, but they believe it is inattentive to issues of race and ethnicity. They note, for example, that U.S. "white" culture does not praise the physical attractiveness of African American women in a way that validates the natural arrangement of black facial features and bodies, but only insofar as they look white with straightened hair, very light brown skin and thin figures. Thus, African-American women are doubly oppressed. Not only are they subject to gender discrimination in its many forms, but racial discrimination as well.

Although global feminists praise the ways in which multiculturalist feminists have amplified socialist feminist thought, they nonetheless regard even this enriched discussion of women's oppression as incomplete. All too often, feminists focus in a nearly exclusive manner on the gender politics of their own nation. Thus, while U.S. feminists struggle to formulate laws to prevent sexual harassment and date rape, thousands of women in Central America, for example, are sexually tortured on account of their own, their fathers', their husbands', or their sons' political beliefs.

Similarly, while U.S. feminists debate the extent to which contraceptives ought to be funded by the government or distributed in public schools, women in many Asian and African countries have no access to contraception or family planning services from any source.

Surprisingly, some feminist authors have rejected Plato as the "first feminist" because he was not "sensitive" enough to the innermost desires of women.

I will discuss this point later.

However make no mistake, feminists, past and present, have had no qualms with adopting whatever philosophy that would further their goals. Be it Liberalism[16], Marxism[17], or Platonism, they incorporated it as their own, and ran with it.



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(John Locke)


However, as we will soon see, Plato is a giant in the eyes of the feminists, towering far above Marx and Locke. Leftists and feminists alike have labored intensively for the fruition of the Platonic state, and even a cursory comparison to the program outlined in the Republic V and the policies and rules advocated by the two groups confirm the truth of this.

The similarities are quite striking, and fortunately of us, the end-game is quite predictable.

While there is no "smoking gun" that directly ties Platonic philosophy to later movements such as Marxism or feminism, anyone who reads Plato's works, and then objectively looks at these two philosophies, can confirm the truth of the matter in their own hearts.

In making my case, I will first present commentary from various authors on Plato in order to prove that Plato's way of thinking greatly inspired later generations of Marxist and feminist thinkers.

Once that this link has been substantially established, I will then move to comparing the ancient words of Plato with the reality of our present day situation, along with commentary from yours truly.

Finally, I will give my predictions of the end-game, or the ideal Leftist-Feminist state, based on Plato's ideals as given primarily in the Republic, and secondarily, in Laws.

Be prepared for a long journey. And where we end up, not even Kumogakure knows.

The game is afoot.

Take care.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

great work. Here is my question. You said this:

However, as we will soon see, Plato is a giant in the eyes of the feminists, towering far above Marx and Locke.

I fully understand the connection with Plato and Marx to feminism. But how is John Locke a giant to feminists? Wouldn't he be an enemy of feminism?? I don't read the whole link provided on locke, but from what I've read and skimmed through, in addition to what I've learned before, I don't see how Locke could be someone feminists would see as their hero. Please explain. If you intned to expand further in a later post, can you at least touch upon the connection?

Thanx, Kumo.

Kirigakure said...

No problem!

I included locke in the mix because, as I will detail in my next post, feminists historically have had no qualms in using classical liberalism (which I am a fanatical adherent of), the philosophy of Locke and others, to advance their agenda.

I will definitely touch on this during the series. Many people do not know that the feminists used a lethal combination of shame, conscious raising, and deceit in order to take control of society and pass laws in their favor.

They were the wolves in sheep's clothing:

Using the sheep skin of liberal (Lockean) philosophy to argue for "equality" and "equal rights", but with every intention of advancing a policy of Inequality and Special Rights, that Men and children have not and will not receive so long as the feminists are in power.

I will be sure to explain thoroughly later.

julie said...

I look forward to your follow up on this especially since I am interested where Republic comes into it.

. said...

Aha, Kumo!

WRT John Locke, I wonder if you and I are on the same wavelength on a certain issue - namely that feminists not only use leftist/Marxist ideologies but also throw in rightest movements to advance towards the end goal.

This plays in with what we discussed with the "Tao of God," that the "end goal" is to have mankind suspended completely in mid-air in the la-la land of "equality." In order to suspend mankind in such a manner, you cannot only "tie him up on the left side," you also have to equally tie him up on the right side.

I have been struggling with writing an article about this for a week or so - but it never seems to come out right.

Here is an article you may find interesting: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/4516/gp/mlhw.html (please scroll down the bottom of this page, click "Glasnost-Perestroika Index" and then read the piece titled "Glasnost-Perestroika, unfinished version." - sorry for the BS, but the link doesn't work well)

Anyway, the point that the article makes is that the Soviet Union/Marxism used the Hegelian Dialectical not only to push things towards the left, but rather alternated between leftward movements and rightward movements, each designed to bring about the ultimate goal.

The Hegelian Dialectic is not a straight line, but rather it makes MANY twists and turns along the way in order to get to its ultimate goal - the Chinese illustrate this with the Dialectic March - 3 steps forward, 2 steps back.

We never seem to realize this in our fight against feminism. We keep thinking that it is a CONSTANT pull to the left, but it is not. It will also need to utilize rightwing movements to "suspend us in equality." There is a good analogy in that article, in that by not understanding how Dialectical Marxism works, we are like two opponents playing different boardgames, with different rules - but on the same board.

This is rather unnerving to me, for I can see how WE, anti-feminists, can be used to be Useful Idiots for achieving "the end goal."

An example would be how the feminists want to end motherhood and take control of the population's children.

Well... many in the MRM are advocating for shared parenthood... this would lead to MORE gov't intervention into families, and rallying to the government STRENGTHEN's the governments legitimacy of authority over people's children... it also will require MORE people to need daycare, requiring MORE employers to be lobbied for anti-capitalist schemes like flexi-time etc. - AND, it will help to bring about State Run Daycare - which of course, will be a HUGE blow to the state of motherhood, and further destruction of the family.

The way to "end motherhood," is to allow anti-feminists to win! And they do want to end motherhood. We, anti-feminists, are still mired in the false religion of "equality" and "rights." And we are lobbying FOR IT - like useful idiots. Just like men lobbying for DV Shelters for men (asking for "equality.") This type of equality only strengthen's the government's position of totalitarianism.

Lol! Anyway, just a thought, wondering if you are thinking along the same line.

Rob

Anonymous said...

Thanks Kumo, for the info. When feminists shout their battlecry "equality" NEVER had even made the connection that they would pieces of classical liberalism (in addition to Marxism and Platonism) as a means to their end. But now that I think of it, they would have NEVER been able to get their laws through had they been open about their TRUE aims. After all, who can be against 'equality'? And on the surface, it is difficult not to fall for the idea that women weren't treated equally throughout history in comparison to men.

Rob, the idea of using us in the mrm as useful idiots has merits. But not only mras, men as a whole. Without men, feminists could not have accomplished anything. Maybe not the best analogy, but it's sort of like the nazis using their version of christianity to accomplish their aims, or Communist China including some 'market freedoms' to gain the power that they have today.

kumo and rob, keep up the great work. i love coming to your blogs because i always learn something new.

Kirigakure said...

Rob,

You are a scholar and an intellectual!

I agree with you that the soul controllers of this thing are very adaptable, and have no qualms about shifting directions in order to accomplish their aims.

This is why I am such a stickler about not siding with Republicans (so called right wing) and Democrats (so called left wing).

Both parties do not have our best interests at heart. Both parties, I believe, collaborate on a great many things that are not in our best interests.

Consider Usher:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Usher/david41.htm

"REPUBLICANS OUSTED FOR SELLING FAMILY VALUES TO K-STREET FEMINISTS"

Read the whole thing when you have time, but the opening says it all.

This is why it is so urgent that we in the MRM DO NOT become beholden to any political party, nor fall into the left wing, right wing trap.

As a matter of fact, my next post will give quotes from Mackinnon talking about how feminists used both liberal (Lockean) and Marxist approaches to formulate their policies.

To counter this, I believe in Classical liberalistic divisions between public and private, minimal government interference of any kind, and strong enforcement of our constitution as the framers intended it.

I don't settle for anything less.

Any proposal that involves more government action, and that is diametrically opposed to the "Tao", or basic human nature doesn't cut the mustard with yours truly!

Keep thinking about these issues gents... we need to be careful, be dispassionate, and be able to separate the truths from the falsehoods.

TBA,

"Thanks Kumo, for the info. When feminists shout their battlecry "equality" NEVER had even made the connection that they would pieces of classical liberalism (in addition to Marxism and Platonism) as a means to their end. But now that I think of it, they would have NEVER been able to get their laws through had they been open about their TRUE aims. After all, who can be against 'equality'? And on the surface, it is difficult not to fall for the idea that women weren't treated equally throughout history in comparison to men."

Exactly. These are people with no morals as we know them, that are totally committed and utterly pragmatic, as we must be to a certain extent.

The best defense for any kind of "sales job" such as this is whenever someone comes at you with a new ideal or philosophy... do the research! Dig up some dirt.

If the public had ever bothered to sit down and read "The Second Sex" or some of these other books, they would have known that shizznit wasn't all peaches and cream.

But, it is what it is friend. We live in the now, we have the knowledge.

they won the war... but its time for an insurgency!!

Kumo X.

Kirigakure said...

"The way to "end motherhood," is to allow anti-feminists to win! And they do want to end motherhood. We, anti-feminists, are still mired in the false religion of "equality" and "rights." And we are lobbying FOR IT - like useful idiots. Just like men lobbying for DV Shelters for men (asking for "equality.") This type of equality only strengthen's the government's position of totalitarianism."

Rob,

I totally agree with you.

I am thinking these days that the best way to heal our national sickness is with an overdose of feminism.

I am seriously considering voting for Hitlery!! :P

Seriously though... sometimes I do think we are playing into their hands by asking Big Gov to "fix" the situation... but at the same time, the only way people (men and women both) are going to wake up to reality is to have all of their precious rights and luxuries stripped away.

I hope that we, and others out there fighting to spread the truth, can turn the tide before its too late.

Anonymous said...

Kumo, be careful what you wish for. I understand your logic in voting for Hilary. Even if in doing so, I knew that I could help bring the collapse of feminism more quickly (rather than the slow bleed of the status quo), my conscious could not allow me to do so.
There are may Repubs who've seen through Bush's lies before the last election and decided to go the practical route and are now kicing themselvs for it. Butsh is leading us towards a NAU, NWO government. In that same way, I could never vote for Hilary. I think a better option is to give teh feminists their "EQUALITY".
If a woman is hoping to curry favors on the basis of her being a woman, we must say "I'm sorry but I wouldn't want to oppress you. I want to treat you equally. therefore, I cannot open the door for you/pay for the dinner/lift teh heavy object, etc." This will do as much to defeat feminism (in addition to either MGTOW or having VERY STRICT standards in women) as voting for Hilary without one losing their soul.
But still, I understand your thinking. What gives me hope, however, is that France is a very feminized country YET they rejected that female socialist running for pres. for sure, the gentlemen most likely isn't as conservative as advertized, but if France can reject a Socialist running solely on her gender MAYBE there is hope that Hilary won't win.

anyway, Kumo. I wanted to make a request. I was wondering if it at all possible that you can re-post in future (if available) Mamo's series on Male Leadership and his History on Feminism.
If you have them and can post them in the future it would be much appreciated. If you have them and cannot post them on this blog I was wondering if you could send a copy to me(I'll give you my email later, if necessary). Had I known his blog would've shut down I would've saved a copy earlier. Anywy, let a brotha know. Peace.

. said...

Hmmm,

Hitlery, eh?

I DO see the logic you speak of...

But, I keep having an idea going through my head...

Has anyone ever thought of using the Dialectial AGAINST "Them?"

They have also manipulated the US Constitution to "force" their goals... but, cannot the Constitution and other legal precedents not also be manipulated, via the Dialectical, to restore the truth?

This is one thing I have not encountered in my readings of Marx/Lenin et. al. I have yet to read the passage that says: "What to do if Rob, Kumo, and their freedom loving cronies figure out our game and turn it on us!"

Nope, not one chapter dedicated to us!

We have a loophole! Most of these philosophies rely on the notion that a strong, totalitarian state is already in place...

Cultural Marxists are trying to slip one in under the radar... BUT, they have to slip it in under the radar, because, in the meantime, our rights still stand.

Dammit, I wish I could write my article out properly.

Anyway, I would like to see that more of "us" start to accuse these bastards & bastardettes of outright TREASON! Because the evidence IS piling up, and low and behold, we still do have some rights left, and we still do have a legal system (yes, I know it is based on the Dialectical), that can be manipulated in both directions... we just have to be smarter than the Dialectical.

I know people kind of think I'm a cracker when I say I want people to go to jail... but I'm not kidding!

I'm only in my mid-thirties, and I've got a fire in my belly about this.

It can be done... in the same way it was done against us.

I want to put the fear of God into these people.

Anonymous said...

They have also manipulated the US Constitution to "force" their goals... but, cannot the Constitution and other legal precedents not also be manipulated, via the Dialectical, to restore the truth?

I agree. I hate the idea of legal precendents. Follow the Constitution. It seems legal precedent is the relegant of those in the legal profession and the judges are their gods (else, what is so 'honorable' about these judges??). But I'm sure there ARE many legal precedants and arguments that can be used in our favor.

this is why I believe that it is IMPERITIVE that we have mras/men favorable to our cause in the legal profession- in fact, in ALL areas of society. We've gotta be as dedicated to restoring men's honor as they are to destroying it. We must be like roaches an 'infest' all areas of this culture to spread our ideas.

This is one thing I have not encountered in my readings of Marx/Lenin et. al. I have yet to read the passage that says: "What to do if Rob, Kumo, and their freedom loving cronies figure out our game and turn it on us!"

I don't remember the website, but i remember reading a few months back, writings by josef goebbels and other marxists, on the use of propoganda. I was an interesting read. I think some of that can be adapted by us specifically to counter feminism. I think to a certain extent, our society has been VERY successful in terms of the perception of feminists. In the same way democrats don't run away from the word 'liberal', many women who ARE feminist will begin by saying "I'm NOT a feminist, BUT...". And feminists are viewed as anti-mother and often lesbian. That is a good start. But many still believe that feminism is still about equality (hence, the idea of a "radical" feminist, as if feminism itself isn't radical).

Anyway, I would like to see that more of "us" start to accuse these bastards & bastardettes of outright TREASON! Because the evidence IS piling up, and low and behold, we still do have some rights left, and we still do have a legal system (yes, I know it is based on the Dialectical), that can be manipulated in both directions... we just have to be smarter than the Dialectical.

I agree. the problem is, much of the country have absolutely NO concept of what treason is. And, if perchance they DO have a concept of treason, they certainly wouldn't be for the treasonous going to jail, let alone death. The mass loves their socialism too much to fight the status quo. After all:

"Democracy and socialism are inseparable."
V.I. Lenin

and

“Democracy gives every man the right to be his own oppressor.”
--James Russell Lowell

Rob I want people to go to jail too. And heads to roll. Yet, I fear the only way to change things may be civil disobedience:

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning...Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue til they are resisted with either words or blows or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
---Frederick Douglass

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
--Samuel Adams

"You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigor of other, more righteous souls. You are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic; you suck the honorable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood."
-Warhammer 40K (a video game)

Anonymous said...

^relegant was supposed to be-- religion

Kirigakure said...

Gents,

I share your feeling. We have been sold up the river by those who were supposed to be looking out for us for a good long time.

However, fear not!

You all know that this system will not last forever, and that those who propagate it will live to see its undoing.

Individual Marxist types, and Cultural Marxism in all of its forms, is doomed.

We, in a dialectical sense, are the anti-thesis to the thesis of feminism.

Consequently, through our efforts, there will be a synthesis, and a new society will spawn (According to Hegelian dialectic, the Master teacher of Marx).

The people today are living a very comfortable and convenient lifestyle, feminism nonwithstanding. They will not look for solutions until either our message hits the mainstream (which it is, albet slowly), or they will look for answers when the shit hits the fan.

Either way, we are doing what we are supposed to do.

This is a battle of the pen, not the sword, and on top of that, the mainstream has no idea that the guerrilla war against feminism is being waged by gentlemen (and ladies) such as we.

Justice will come! But firstly, we have to do some "conscious raising " of our own.

Robb, I am very much looking forward to your article! Go ahead and throw it up man, it ain't gotta be perfect!

Kumo.

TBA,

I will get that series you wanted up for you asap!

Anonymous said...

This is a battle of the pen, not the sword, and on top of that, the mainstream has no idea that the guerrilla war against feminism is being waged by gentlemen (and ladies) such as we.

You are right on this account. The battle IS of the pen. Yet, I am getting impatient. I wish to see results immediately. But, of course that isn't possible.
Communims didn't arrive as a form of government until many decades after the Communist Manifesto and Feminims didn't arrive until a century afterward.

Hopefully, the time difference between the current mra movement and the restoration of patriarchy is shorter AND hopefully the difference isn't like that between Plato's "Republic" and Marx's "Communist Manifesto".

TBA,

I will get that series you wanted up for you asap!


YES!! Thanks, Kumo. I much appreciate it.

Kirigakure said...

"Hopefully, the time difference between the current mra movement and the restoration of patriarchy is shorter AND hopefully the difference isn't like that between Plato's "Republic" and Marx's "Communist Manifesto"."

Brotha man, you and me both. I too get tired of watching my people and my country flounder around and slowly die, and not knowing why.

Locked into the same cycle of totalitarian ignorance, most are like walking zombies.

I dunno how long it will take for the Patriarchy to be restored, but I can say that the golden age of the West has most likely past.

The future belongs to Asia. Hopefully they will find out feminization and collapse instructive.